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The Outreach Wiki is relatively small, so let's try and keep administrative tasks to a minimum, by keeping as many questions as possible on this page. (Suggested "rule": unless we have more than 15 cases in a short while, we can do without any extra tools such as administrative pages.)

Main Page translation documentation[edit]

Hi, can a sysop help clarify a little problem I have? While I was attempting to translate the main page, I came across some documentation here and here that contained some Chinese characters. As I cannot read them, could someone explain to me what the documentation says I'm supposed to do, or whether it should be there at all? TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 09:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

TeleComNasSprVen: In the translation interface, users sometimes accidentally add translations to the documentation instead of the language they are intending to translate. That is probably what happened here. In general, the documentation messages are to help clarify the meaning and intent of individual messages, but they often aren't necessary. If you wish to translate the main page, you can simply add your translations. (And thanks!)--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply! Can I be granted the sysop tools on this wiki, in the case that as the others do I need to clean up any unnecessary or mistakes made in translations? I think that I'll mostly be doing that and some general maintenance tasks on this wiki, like fixing up Special:DoubleRedirects as of late. There's a couple of things there that I also wanted to address, like why not redirect to File:Instructor Basics How to Use Wikipedia as a Teaching Tool.pdf as that shows the image and links to commons while the other type of redirect might need a few more button presses. But I think Ldavis might be able to give us the answer. In regards to that translation documentation page, should we delete that to prevent some confusion and formally welcome the user to try and translate other parts of the site as well? That seems the best course of action for now, but I'd like to know what you think. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll go ahead and give you the admin bit. What you suggest sounds fine.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I actually would like to suggest that we also prevent IP's from working in this realm, as there was on IP in June that mucked things up a bit. Really, no anonymous person should even be editing these things, since there is the possibility of so much going wrong quickly. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Fully agree with Ktr101. The mainpage is already locked, as are many others, and June is only six months ago. OutreachWiki is not about making things easier, more friendly, and... uh... wait. Can the folks here please tell me what OutreachWiki *is* about? Surveys seem to show it is mostly Bookshelf (usually resulting in non-editable PDFs and Youtube... although the Bookshelf page itself is editable so there is hope) plus a large amount of GLAM/Rez/HigherEd/ArS/etc (reaching out to official institutions via official channels). There is also a defunct project to try and make more people register for uids. What is the goal here, nowadays? 14:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
The goal of outreach wiki is to organize any sort of outreach activity people wish. At this point, that primarily consists of GLAM projects and education projects, but it's available for any projects aimed at reaching outside the existing Wikimedia community to improve the projects. (Some of the same things can be done -- and are done -- on meta, but was intentionally set up as a smaller, more focused wiki where people could try things out a little more freely.) I don't see a good reason to lock things down any further; problems from IPs are infrequent enough that it's not been too hard to keep up with.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, sounds good. I'm working on some new material which fits into the Bookshelf, aimed at recruiting (and then actually RETAINING) a large number of new editors. It is tentatively titled the Wikipedia Jungle Survival Manual, and if anyone's interested, please leave me a note on me enWiki talkpage. Danke. 12:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

What are the current or upcoming events we should list, besides GLAM? TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 20:12, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

It might be good to link to the various meetups that will be upcoming, especially in light of the upcoming Wikipedia Day. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 06:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
When is Wikipedia Day and why? PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC) ... 2001-01-15 was the first day the wikipedia wiki was edited, it seems. That day each year. So you and I are a bit behind.  :-) 12:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


Hey all, just cross-posting here from Meta:Babel (see the thread) because I wanted to ask what to do best with the page on Meta-Wiki right now at Broken/outreach:Cherokee. Some background information: originally the outreach: namespace was split into this wiki and so the script that tried to resolve conflicts between the interwiki prefix to here and the namespace prefix for the page title on Meta-Wiki ran into some problems and so created the page you see in the link. So I'm asking if that page might have any contents that are worth importing over here and integrating into an article page on Outreach-Wiki, given that it was originally located in the outreach: namespace. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 12:42, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why we couldn't have it here, but we would also have to make an outreach effort to that wiki so that they know we are doing this and see if they want to work on this site. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia/Reports/Small Wiki Monitoring Team[edit]

A user, PiRSquared17 (talk · contribs), expressed on the talkpage that this page might not have anything to do with or related to outreach events. Does anyone else also agrees with him, that this might be out of outreach's scope? TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 16:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

It does, as we are a small wiki, and that is to let people know that they exist. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
It does not belong in the article namespace, does it? PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Actually, now that I look at it a bit, some parts of it seems to have been taken from Meta Wiki's complement page without proper attribution to the original authors, either by wikilink or enumeration of the author names. So it's possible this is also a copyright violation of their CC-BY-SA guidelines. Though I do hope the well-meaning members of the SWMT doesn't care if we pilfer their information page for a bit. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 10:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
its states that it is copied from meta at the bottom... --Goldenburg111 (talk) 20:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
You have not given a satisfactory answer as to why we should host a forked version of non-outreach-related content from Meta here. It has nothing do with outreach, unless now outreach people are trying to get more anti-vandal people. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:09, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I see no sense in copying Meta's pages to this wiki when it's not outreach related. Yeah this wiki is small, but shall we create such a page in other about 600 small wikis? --Base (talk) 16:48, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I've turned the page into a soft redirect to the meta page. Now, let's all hold hands and sing, as this is a bit silly to be arguing about. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:01, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Wikimedia Commons interwiki prefix[edit]

Hello again. I'd like to draw the outreach team to the current discussion over at Meta regarding the existence of the C-colon prefixes. We have one right now at C:SD which needs to be deleted in order for that proposal to continue. I would not delete it myself as I have an obvious conflict of interest regarding this matter (that is, I'd already participated in the discussion on Meta Wiki) but I'd like to know if there are any objections to removing it. This is like a "deletion discussion" of sorts, due to the ad hoc nature of our small community, but I'd accept other outcomes for this redirect as well. Thanks, TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 10:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I have a COI for the same reason, but I would like to point out that there are no links to the redirect. PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:55, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, but feel free to IAR things like this in the future. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Requests for translation adminship/WikiBronze[edit]

Translation student and experienced translator. Translator in TranslateWiki (joined recently), patroller in Turkish Wikipedia, translation administrator (granted recently) in Commons and Meta-Wiki. Requesting translation adminship to mark the pages in Outreach that need translation and also administer the translation requests relating to Wikimedia Turkey. I am also planning to launch an expedition with the translators of Turkish Wikipedia Community to deal with over 25.000 messages (as in translation message groups) in various wiki projects that is waiting either to be translated or updated, and one of these projects is Outreach. Therefore, being a translation administrator would make my life considerably easier. I have thoroughly read and understood[*] the following list of documents concerning the translation, translation extension and translation administratorship. I have used the extension before and I know how it functions. --WikiBronze [T] 21:58, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Read & Understood:

Granted. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Kevin! --WikiBronze [T] 21:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Requests for translation adminship/Ата[edit]

May I please be granted TA flag here? I am TA on mw:, m:, d: already. I am not going to be an active translation admin on this wiki, but it's so sad sometimes to see a trifle to be fixed (e.g. mark a page for translation after a small change) and can't do this. I promise to be courteous -- Ата (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Granted. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you -- Ата (talk) 20:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)