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Welcome to the Outreach Wiki's village pump. This page has two functions:

  • This is where general outreach-related discussions can be held. Click here to open up a new topic.
  • You can also use this page to request administrator assistance with vandalism or other incidents needing action. Please be as specific as possible, including the name of the user or IP causing problems, the page name, and your signature.
  • Requests for permissions should be made on the respective page.

Please sign and date your post (by typing ~~~~ or clicking the signature icon: Insert-signature.png in the edit toolbar). Please add new topics to the bottom of this page.

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Request for permissions page[edit]

In light of the Akifumii/Xermano issue, I have gone ahead and created a Requests for permissions page so that we can centralize any requests for anyone who wants to get rights on this site. Part of this is because as Xeno hinted at on the Meta page when I asked for the global rename request, our lack of any standards will make it harder for us to request rights, and also vet persons who aren't really familiar with the site and want rights. The overall goal is still to make it easier than other Wikimedia sites, but I think it would be a good idea to have a centralized page so that we can start directing people there and increasing our standards at a time when we are starting to reactivate the activity on this site. I am open to discussion on this, but I just figured I'd create the page so that we could have something to work off of in the discussion process. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I support this Kevin. Thank you for creating this page. FuzzyDice (talk) 05:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Looks OK to me. --Steinsplitter (talk) 12:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Hm, 3 days might be too much for e.g. TA where you just need to make sure that a nominee-guy knows what the flag is for at all and have read 2 pages of the documentation (e.g. by showing diff with tagging done). But it's OK for sysop and 'crat flags for me. --Base ([[User talk:Base|talk]) 19:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
It might be, but I am also writing that as a rule that can be broken if need be. If anything, I am more concerned that we would have someone show up and break whole translation pages or completely falsify their credentials, per the above. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ktr101: WMF staff should be excepted imho. --Steinsplitter (talk) 06:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
This is imho too bureaucratic for a small wiki like this. --Steinsplitter (talk) 06:39, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
See the discussion below, but I added it so that we can have some sort of consistent criteria for granting users rights. Otherwise, it could be open to abuse if people start righting their friends and start denying others. There is nothing wrong with having general guidelines, as calling that too bureaucratic might as well apply to the entire page while we're at it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Inactivity policy[edit]

I created Wikimedia:Inactivity policy (be bold) because not a lot of inactive users has requested his rights back afters Kevin Rutherford's mass desysop (see VP archive). Comments and improvements welcome. --Steinsplitter (talk) 12:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I think some trial terms should be defined when deflagged-to-be admins or 'crats will have to do some considerable number of useful actions/edits to hold their rights. Just saying "I still need the flag" shouldn't be the way to keep the flags. --Base (talk) 17:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
It is based at Ktr's last deflagging (status quo?). If someone like to add Bases suggestion feel free. --Steinsplitter (talk) 17:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I have completely reworded the page so that it makes a bit more sense and mirrors English Wikipedia's policies. Those can be changed of course, as my main issue was with the fact that we never defined who exempted staff were, and made everyone reapply, which seems a bit ludicrous in my opinion. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Imho this is too bureaucratic for a small wiki like this... Copying policy from enwiki is suboptimal, you should at least import them from other small wikis. --Steinsplitter (talk) 06:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
It may be, but I am not a supporter of making everyone have to reapply if they haven't been here awhile. Also, I don't see a reason that we shouldn't notify users in two ways, just in case they aren't able to see their talk page message. I have no problem with fixing what is there as that is a starter, but it's not a bad idea to model what we do here after the bigger sites as an idea. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps another possibility would be allowing for the global inactivity policy to be used here. --Rschen7754 03:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
That works for me, or at least have an adaptation of it here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor available on Internet Explorer 11[edit]


VisualEditor will become available to users of Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 during today's regular software update. Support for some earlier versions of Internet Explorer is being worked on. If you encounter problems with VisualEditor on Internet Explorer, please contact the Editing team by leaving a message at VisualEditor/Feedback on Happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 07:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC).

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I've just removed my bureaucrat rights on this project. Unfortunately, my availability has decreased during the last few months, and I doubt that it will be improving anytime soon; I'm struggling to maintain activity in my other Wikimedia roles. My primary task as a bureaucrat was granting rights to people on request, but since we have moved to a rights request page, my usefulness in that area is decreased. I will still drop by occasionally, and will remain as an admin for cleanup and countervandalism purposes. --Rschen7754 02:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear RS, We appreciate very much all you've done here and hope to see you around. All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 15:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help, as you have been quite an asset on this project. I hope to see you around in the future, as you will be missed! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Request for Permissions voting length and percentage to pass[edit]

The other day, I realized that I have yet to define a voting length and a percentage to pass on that page, since it would help give us a definition of the support level for giving people a right. Would people object to having the process run at least three days and have at least 70% of users supporting the right requestee? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:04, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@Ktr101: I don't mind but this is such a small wiki with so little activity that it would be easy for there to be no votes in three days or just one person who would functionally have a monopoly on the process. Honestly, just having users message bureaucrats directly or post to the Pump here would probably do. I understand the point of processes and institutions but they also seem needless in situations like this. Koavf (talk) 03:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I mainly added it because I know that legitimizing the process so that it looks less of a cabal where we admin people we know. Of course, this is more transparent, so that is the plus of having it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Reaching out to other online communities[edit]

Best practices and precedent I'm surprised that Outreach and Meta don't seem to have any guidelines on working with other online communities. The best I see is m:OpenStreetMap but that's a little moribund and it seems like there isn't much precedent in connecting with other online communities. Am I missing something? Koavf (talk) 05:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything on this site that would indicate that we have worked with online communities in the past, although that is something that should be looked into now that the project is "restarting" in that sense. What groups would you be looking into, as I would be happy to draft up a page that would encompass doing that sort of thing. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Online communities I cross-posted this to Meta and got some leads there but nothing that is structured or which has data, best practices, etc. I'm specifically thinking of DMOZ, OpenStreetMap, and Distributed Proofreaders/Project Gutenberg as they are all large open-content projects. Other natural fits are free software communities (BSD, Linux, and ReactOS; the EFF and FSF), other wikis (specifically those using MediaWiki), and ones with overlapping missions to ours (other quote repositories with Wikiquote, other free media listings with Commons). Does any of that make sense? Koavf (talk) 05:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


I was recently looking for page information on an Outreach wiki page where I am used to seeing it on other projects: on a view history page right above the diff links.

I asked about this on the engineering mailing list and was told that is magic is made by a sysop or admin editing or customizing MediaWiki:Histlegend.

Yes, I know that action=info is already in our toolbox (in the sidebar, above languages as 'Page information'). But if I've missed it, it's possible that other people have missed it, too.

I'd like to add the MediaWiki:Histlegend links that are common on some of the larger wikis, but not present by default on others. I propose editing MediaWiki:Histlegend. Would anybody object to that?

Specifically, I would submit an edit request here and suggest this bit of code crafted by my colleague User:Whatamidoing (WMF):

Diff selection: Mark the radio boxes of the revisions to compare and hit enter or the button at the bottom.
Legend: (cur) = difference with latest revision, (prev) = difference with preceding revision, m = minor edit.
· Page views · Number of watchers · Revision history search · Edits by user

It seems harmless enough to me. Hope it does to you, too. Thanks for your consideration. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. :) Quiddity (talk) 22:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Wow, Quiddity, thanks! :) Our little wiki's growing up. I'm so proud. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 23:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
The link on "Edits by user" ignores server=outreachwiki and defaults to enwiki so the user has to manually change the Database field. I have contacted one of the tool authors at w:User talk:Σ#usersearch server parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Uh oh. That's not good. Thanks for catching that, PrimeHunter, and thanks for reaching out about this on our behalf. That was thoughtful of you and I appreciate it. Please keep us posted. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 03:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for finding this and adding to it, as I really enjoy how these pages are under the most obscure and creative of names on the software. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:28, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
In case you don't know, adding ?uselang=qqx or &uselang=qqx (if there already is a ?) to the url will give you names of used MediaWiki namespace messages. For example, displays "(histlegend)" near the top. That means MediaWiki:histlegend is used there. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Global AbuseFilter[edit]


AbuseFilter is a MediaWiki extension used to detect likely abusive behavior patterns, like pattern vandalism and spam. In 2013, Global AbuseFilters were enabled on a limited set of wikis including Meta-Wiki,, Wikispecies and (in early 2014) all the "small wikis". Recently, global abuse filters were enabled on "medium sized wikis" as well. These filters are currently managed by stewards on Meta-Wiki and have shown to be very effective in preventing mass spam attacks across Wikimedia projects. However, there is currently no policy on how the global AbuseFilters will be managed although there are proposals. There is an ongoing request for comment on policy governing the use of the global AbuseFilters. In the meantime, specific wikis can opt out of using the global AbuseFilter. These wikis can simply add a request to this list on Meta-Wiki. More details can be found on this page at Meta-Wiki. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on m:Talk:Global AbuseFilter.


PiRSquared17, Glaisher

— 17:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Blocking of users[edit]

Barring rampant abuse of the site by an IP or a user, does anyone else see the need to block drive-by vandalism by users where their only edit is a page creation? I have been leery of blocking these users before because very rarely do they come back to edit again, to the point where I don't see a benefit in blocking them since we have so little vandalism that it can easily be caught. Thoughts? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

@Ktr101: In my experience, you are correct. The exception would be range-blockinging IPs for spambots but I think WMF wikis generally have good protection against that anyway. Koavf (talk) 04:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Regional Ambassadors[edit]

Where is the most updated list of Wikipedia Regional Ambassadors for the WikiEd Foundation? OR drohowa (talk) 19:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I think it's been quite some time since we've had an accurate list on this site, but Jami (Wiki Ed) might be able to help you with that question. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:37, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


Will it work in Outreach Wiki, if I write Dosiero (File in eo) or Файл (File in ru) instead of [[File:....]]? It will make my translations much more easy. --Ochilov (talk) 16:24, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

No idea, but you could always try to see what happens in the text. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:10, 21 December 2014 (UTC)