Talk:Education/Newsletter/April 2017/How responsible should teachers be for student contributions?
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Esta es la herencia que nos dejó esta señora. Jamás se hizo responsable de sus alumnos, jamás les instruyó. Pasarán meses o quizás años antes de que se arregle todo y los artículos sean dignos de una enciclopedia seria y de calidad. Saludos Lourdes Cardenal (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- That is quite an accusation. First of all, I have instructed students how to interface with Wikipedia (English and Spanish), Commons and Wikisource. What I cannot do directly is review student's writing ability in Spanish as I am a non-native speaker and not proficient enough to do this. Since I started working with servicio social (community service) students, the program has included 5 or 6 Saturdays dedicated to students reviewing articles done by other students. If you look at the editing histories of students from this (and prior semesters) https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/Tec_de_Monterrey/Wikiservicio_Spring_2017, you will see that they have gone into articles to do nothing more than make corrections. This worked pretty well at the beginning as we were working only with articles created by servicio social students. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, the number of students at now two campuses has grown and the list of articles to review is too long for one group of 15-20 students to do over a total of 24 hours total. For this semester, I requested and was granted 8 becarios (work study students, who work 5 hours a week) doing the same thing https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/Tec_de_Monterrey/Becarios . Therefore it is not true that I have ignored the issue. I do agree that more needs to be done and we have gotten and are promised more, but since we are an organization with bureaucracy, it takes a little time. Since the discussions of March 2017, I have requested and received/will receive some more help from teachers and will be able to be more selective about who will participate in future servicio social projects.
- Banning organizers, espeically when there is no policy to justify it, is not the solution. I am working on an argument for my eventual petition to overturn the ban, but will hold off until what I have been promised by my school is fully in operation. But I will say this... the ban was not justified under any eswiki policy that I have been able to find. It is not on the list of bannable offences, and there is nothing on the education page that says that teachers or project leaders should be held personally responsible for the content created (or even required to advise or ask permission to start projects as some suggested on the discussion to ban me (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/2017/Marzo#Anexo:Gran_Premio_de_Jap.C3.B3n_de_2014). The list that the OP refers to is interesting. According to the rules, badly translated articles should be tagged as such, the author notified, and then given a month to make corrections. After that list was made, dozens of articles were summarily eliminated or reverted with no contact to the author and no time given for corrections by anyone. There is one exception to this rule. If the translation is completely unreadable (which I know not all were), it can be marked for deletion, but that deletion must be done by an administrator (bibiotecario). This rule was not followed in many cases either. See the case of the now-deleted Alim Quasimov article. Thelmadatter (talk) 23:24, 26 April 2017 (UTC)