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Auto-updating WiR table[edit]

Main discussion at Talk:Wikipedian_in_Residence

I'm in the process of writing some templates to be able to make the Wikipedian_in_Residence table easier to maintain using wikidata. Evolution and evolvability (talk) 00:40, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Import request[edit]

In order to implement w:Template:WiR_table_row here, could I request the import of:

  1. w:module:WikidataIB/sandbox to module:WikidataIB
  2. w:Template:WiR_table_row to Template:WiR_table_row
  3. w:Template:WiR_table_start to Template:WiR_table_start

Thank you! Evolution and evolvability (talk) 23:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Evolution and evolvability thanks for your request. I haven't previously imported a module. I'll ping active Outreach bureaucrat User:Koavf to ask what he thinks about this request. ↠Pine () 00:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Pine: Thanks. @Evolution and evolvability: I'll do this but man, importing is a huge pain, since there is always a cascading set of hundreds of modules/templates that are dependencies for anything. :/ Koavf (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Evolution and evolvability: Importing keeps on failing, likely due to exactly what I mentioned above. Do you really need these locally and at en.wp? Why are they in two places? Koavf (talk) 00:39, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
      • Realistically, they're more useful either here or on metawiki. I was only using wikipedia to develop them to test whether I could get the templates work before asking for imports. I've made the import request at meta as well (import request; location suggestion). It mainly depends on where it's best to centralise WiR info to. Evolution and evolvability (talk) 03:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
        • @Evolution and evolvability: Let's see if m: can do it: there are many more resources there to support it. If they won't do it, then I will. The overlap between Meta and Outreach is still not really sussed out, so for now, it seems like Meta can work as a host for this material. Thanks for editing here, tho and I hope you stick around here. Koavf (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf, Evolution and evolvability: have these requests been completed? ↠Pine () 06:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@Pine, Koavf: I don't think so yet. The module:WikidataIB is still the old version. (test page). Evolution and evolvability (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@Pine, Evolution and evolvability: I still have not done this because of the sheer headache I mentioned above. Do we really need to import dozens (hundreds?) of templates and modules for several hours for this? If the answer is yes, I'll do it but if not, I a do not want to deal with the headache of all this importing (nor do I want someone else to do it unless he is committed to ensuring that there are not a bunch of red links). Koavf (talk) 00:01, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf, Pine: My understanding was that because module:WikidataIB is already present locally, it'd only be necessary to update the local version to the most current version from en.wp. I thought that importing the large number of additional templates and modules was only necessary for creating the initial local version of the module. Alternatives would be either A) import meta:User:ListeriaBot in stead, or B) Just redirect the Wikipedian in Residence page over to meta:Wikipedian in Residence to avoid duplication. What're people's thoughts? Evolution and evolvability (talk) 01:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Evolution and evolvability: I tried and had it just sit there without finishing for awhile, then tried again and got "Import failed: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading? Query: UPDATE `page` SET page_latest = '207189',page_touched = '20191028012806',page_is_new = '0',page_is_redirect = '0',page_len = '130489',page_content_model = 'Scribunto' WHERE page_id = '52276' AND page_latest = '204412' Function: WikiPage::updateRevisionOn Error: 1205 Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction ([IP address redacted])", then tried again and got a database error: "To avoid creating high replication lag, this transaction was aborted because the write duration (10.47375202179) exceeded the 3 second limit. If you are changing many items at once, try doing multiple smaller operations instead. [XdndPApAAEIAAEzMqe8AAACH] 2019-11-24 01:30:50: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBTransactionSizeError" This is why I don't like doing this. I tried a fourth time and a single revision was imported. Is that all that was needed? Koavf (talk) 01:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf, Evolution and evolvability: I don't know how the import process works. Could scripting or a bot be used to automate the process? Also, would it be worth asking in IRC or Wikitech-l for advice regarding how to make import process be less time consuming? ↠Pine () 01:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
This is definitely something a bot could do but I am too ignorant to be able to actually write one that does it. Koavf (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf: Thank you for all your efforts on this. Sadly it's still not fully functional (test page), but does clarify what the best solution probably is for the Wikipedian in Residence page. Evolution and evolvability (talk) 02:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Koavf and Evolution and evolvability how about creating a request on Phabricator for someone to create a bot that does the job? Perhaps someone would be willing to work on this for a Google Summer of Code or Outreachy internship. Also, I'll ping User:Astinson (WMF) to ask him for ideas. ↠Pine () 02:53, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Actually, there might also be an additional option for that one page: mw:Extension:InterwikiExtracts might allow it to be possible to transclude the whole meta:Wikimedian in residence across from meta to outreachwiki to keep them synchronised (ping Template:U to check if I've misunderstood its capabilities). Evolution and evolvability (talk) 06:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I can try to make this page and see what happens. Koavf (talk) 07:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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@Pine, Evolution and evolvability: phab:T239010 Koavf (talk) 07:54, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started[edit]

-- Kbrown (WMF) 17:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project[edit]

06:53, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Junk pages[edit]

I've deleted four junk pages which were created in a relatively short time span. Note to admins to keep an eye out for junk pages. Non-admins can tag these for deletion, following the directions at Wikimedia:Deletion policy. ↠Pine () 20:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Village pump archiving[edit]

I archived several threads from this page to Wikimedia:Village pump/Archive 6. ↠Pine () 06:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Appointments of local checkusers and oversighters for Outreach wiki[edit]

Enough junk pages are being created here that I am becoming increasingly open to the idea of having local checkusers so that they can look at IP ranges where junk accounts are created and create rangeblocks if appropirate. Also, occasionally there are needs for suppression of information here, and we don't have local oversighters, so when incidents happen, local admins usually apply revdel and then request suppression from a steward. What do others think about the idea of starting appointment processes for local checkusers and oversighters for Outreach wiki? I am not planning to request these permissions for myself in the near future, but I would be willing to assist with the appointment processes. ↠Pine () 06:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to start an appointments process for local checkusers[edit]

Yes[edit]

  • Agree We should have locals who can do steward activity because this is a particularly outward-facing wiki and having to wait on stewards (whose attention should be focused on large-spread abuse and abuse on smaller wikis) introduces overhead that we shouldn't have here. There are several long-term editors who are trusted and can perform this in this role if they are willing. Koavf (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Agree Per nom and above. This sounds reasonable. --mikeu talk 06:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Neutral[edit]

No[edit]

  • Oppose Honestly, i don't think this is necessary. It can be handled by Stewards. --Steinsplitter (talk) 07:33, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • The only need for CU here is for spambots. And when that happens the actions (rangeblocks) should really be global and not local, so you would need a steward anyway. --Rschen7754 23:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Discuss[edit]

Proposal to start an appointments process for local oversighters[edit]

Yes[edit]

  • Agree We should have locals who can do steward activity because this is a particularly outward-facing wiki and having to wait on stewards (whose attention should be focused on large-spread abuse and abuse on smaller wikis) introduces overhead that we shouldn't have here. There are several long-term editors who are trusted and can perform this in this role if they are willing. Koavf (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Agree Per nom and above. Another reasonable suggestion. --mikeu talk 06:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Neutral[edit]

No[edit]

  • Oppose Honestly, i don't think this is necessary. It can be handled by Stewards. --Steinsplitter (talk) 07:33, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Not really convinced, there are several larger wikis that don't have OS and have way more suppression requests (nlwiki for example). 3 requests in 2019 does not justify having local oversighters. --Rschen7754 23:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Discuss[edit]

  • Hi @Koavf: I would like to see more participation in this discussion. What do you think about the possibility of using MassMessage to place talk page notices on the Outreach talk pages of all unblocked users who have made an edit to Outreach in the past 90 days? ↠Pine () 20:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Pine: Good idea to me. Koavf (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Koavf: OK. Do you know how to get the list of contributors from the past 90 days who aren't blocked? I can get a list of recently active users from Special:ActiveUsers, but that list is for the past 30 days and I think that it includes blocked users. ↠Pine () 21:38, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I can make a list of all users who have made an edit in the last 90 days, excluding those currently blocked - is that what you want? --DannyS712 (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
    Its actually pretty easy to filter those that are blocked - all of their edits have been deleted, so they don't show up in the revision table. I'll tweak the query to remove bots, and provide the list momentarily --DannyS712 (talk) 23:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The following users have made edits since September first:
1997kB
94rain
AVasanth (WMF)
Aamrs
Aguzanotti
Ah3kal
Ainali
Alicia Fagerving (WMSE)
Ambrosiani
Amire80
Andrews Lartey
Anthere
Anup Sadi
Ash Crow
Astinson (WMF)
Astrid Carlsen (WMNO)
Avery Jensen
Avicenno
Awangba Mangang
Axel Pettersson (WMSE)
B.jars
Base
Beat Estermann
Bsadowski1
Catherine Laurence
Cbderbylib
CelStrzel
Celina Strzelecka (WMPL)
Chongkian
CptViraj
Czar
Céréales Killer
Daniel Mietchen
DannyS712
DavidL
Djordjes
Dominik Theis (WMDE)
Douglaskmccarthy
Ebe123
Envlh
Evolution and evolvability
FULBERT
Florencia Guastavino (WMAR)
Fuzheado
Fæ
Gamaliel
Gampe
Gunay M.E.
Gytha
Hansmuller
Hasley
Hiperterminal
ITskandɹos
ITskandɾos
Iluvatar
Info-farmer
Ixocactus
Jagseer S Sidhu
Jianhui67
Joalpe
Joy Agyepong
KCVelaga
Karolina0089
Kbshah6p
Killarnee
Klara Sielicka-Baryłka (WMPL)
Koavf
Krinkle
Kruusamägi
Kwanele22
La Mantis
Lacbug
Lentokonefani
Ludo29
Luisina Ferrante (WMAR)
MGuadalupe (WMF)
MMiller (WMF)
MacedonianBoy
Marco Chemello (BEIC)
Mari Avetisyan WMAM
Marta Arosio (WMIT)
Martin Urbanec
MartinPoulter
Mary Mark Ockerbloom
Masssly
Mathglot
Melissamarzo
Meno25
Merrilee
MichellevL (WMNL)
Modjou
Mohammad
Mu301
NGC 54
NSaad (WMF)
Naga sai sravanth
Nawaraj Ghimire
Neboysha87
Nirmal Dulal
Nur Rahmi Nailah (WMID)
OlafJanssen
Omotecho
PDiazR (WMCL)
Pathoschild
Pigsonthewing
Pine
Praxidicae
Pru.mitchell
RSharma (WMF)
Rachmat04
RaymondSutanto
Reosarevok
RexxS
Romaine
Ruti-WMIL
Rzuwig
S.ann.adams
SGill (WMF)
SPatnaik (WMF)
Sabine Rønsen (WMNO)
Sadads
Safi-iren
Saileshpat
SakhileMbatha2
SandraF (WMF)
Slowking4
Sms2sms
SuperHamster
Susannaanas
Tar Lócesilion
Tofeiku
Tore Danielsson (WMSE)
Trizek (WMF)
TrudiJ
VHargyono (WMF)
VIGNERON
Valereee
Verdy p
Vlad5250
Vysotsky
WereSpielChequers
WikiBayer
Wikinade
Will (Wiki Ed)
Worrida
XXBlackburnXx
Xavier Cailleau WMFr
Xiplus
Yupik
ZI Jony
Zache
Åsa Paaske Gulbrandsen (WMNO)
Виолетова
আফতাবুজ্জামান
夢蝶葬花
魔法少女静樹
  • Hi @DannyS712: thanks for your work, but I don't think that every edit has been deleted from every user that was blocked in the past 90 days. There is one editor in that I recall blocking for making junk edits, probably advertising, but I left one of their pages alone because at least that one page wasn't clearly junk. There is probably a way to filter specifically for blocked editors. Can you look into that, please? ↠Pine () 19:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Contribs for visibility
Blocked users are included (Kbshah6p) and some users (ITskandɹos, ITskandɾos, Karolina0089, SakhileMbatha) had their contributions deleted just now but I didn't bother blocking them. Koavf (talk) 20:30, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I would prefer that sending notices to unblocked users who have at least 1 edit in the past 90 days be a simple job. There is probably a way to create a query for this. @DannyS712: how did you create your list? Thank you, ↠Pine () 06:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I think a wiki like this would really struggle with getting 25 support votes (as required by the CU/OS policies) in a reasonable enough timeframe to be accepted by stewards. --Rschen7754 23:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Page Wikimedia:Request an account[edit]

The page Wikimedia:Request an account has been created and deleted on numerous occasions. Instead of having this annoyance continue, I added some useful content to the page. There doesn't appear to be a page on Meta for requesting an account, but if there is one then I would link to the Meta page from the Outreach page. Is anyone aware of such a Meta page? ↠Pine () 07:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)