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Proposal: make this a global sysop wiki[edit]

In the past, this wiki has granted sysop rights on request, but now there is a Project:Requests for permissions process with a 3-day wait before becoming an admin. However, that means that people patrolling all wikis for spam (including stewards and global sysops must find an admin to delete spam or vandalism and block spam or vandal accounts. Therefore, I propose opting in this wiki into the global sysop wikiset, to allow global sysops and stewards to perform countervandalism and counterspam actions without having to ask for administrator rights. Global sysops and stewards are prevented by global policy from using the admin tools to do anything controversial (i.e. blocking for personal attacks). This might decrease some of the overhead of running this wiki. Thoughts? --Rschen7754 17:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rschen7754: Why would we need this? I know that I have deleted spam on this wiki (within the past week, in fact) but it's hardly like this is overrun with a spam or vandalism problem. Do you think that the local admins (myself included) are dropping the ball at this wiki? Koavf (talk) 01:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see no need. We have enough Admins to deal with vandalism, spam, etc. :) --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm trying to eliminate an extra level of paperwork by allowing global sysops and stewards to delete too without getting the admin rights. --Rschen7754 03:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Almost every trusted user used to receive admin rights here, even without having asked for it. Thus, it does seem inconsequential that we do not allow global sysops and stewards to remove spam from this wiki as well. Vogone (SWMT) 20:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm surprised it wasn't already. This should increase global efficiency for problem mitigation, and ever-so-slightly reduce the amount of work local admins do. Quiddity (talk) 21:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sure, no concerns here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:09, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support I find this is very appealing because we can use m:Meta:Meta–steward relationship as template policy for this.--Aldnonymous (talk) 08:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good to have more helping hands here. Jianhui67 talk★contribs 08:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested edit to LocalSettings.php[edit]

Babel The Bable extension is turned on for Outreach but for some reason, $wgBabelCategoryNames is set to false. I use Babel on my userpage to indicate my language levels rather than the templates and other users might as well. On an interlingual and collaborative wiki like this one, it's valuable to connect users of different languages as easily as possible. Koavf (talk) 02:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Koavf: can you please file a request on phabricator: (Project = Wikimedia-Site-requests). Thanks :) --Steinsplitter (talk) 19:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Steinsplitter: see here. Thanks. Koavf (talk) 19:50, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Bable extension is now enabled on this wiki. Best --Steinsplitter (talk) 17:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pageviews and interwiki links don't work on Outreach wiki[edit]

Hello everyone, did anyone notice that pageviews for Outreach wiki doesn't work starting from February 3, 2015? I have checked different pages on this wiki and found the same issue on Education, Glam, Libraries and the main page. It seems a recurrent problem too, if you can notice that the pageviews are not available for January 20, 27 and 29 on all Outreach pages! The same with Meta wiki too. Thoughts? --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue on Outreach wiki: interwiki links don't work with any Wikipedia projects other than en.wiki. For example [[:es:w:Wikiproyecto:Honduras|Wikiproyecto:Honduras]] should lead to es.wiki while it takes the user to en.wiki instead. --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 19:05, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
stats.grok.se is a external tool, the missing stats may have a lot of reasons - the raw data is here. For the broken interwiki links, just use :es: instead of :es:w: , Best --Steinsplitter (talk) 19:13, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's really helpful. Thanks Steinsplitter! --Selsharbaty (WMF) (talk) 19:19, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks from me, too, Steinsplitter! :) P.S. I asked Samir to update the title of this post to reflect both of the bugs being inquired about. He's not crazy; I am! ;) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 19:35, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
:-D - Unfortunately now the statistic page is completely down :(. A few minutes ago i contacted the maintainer about the broken page. Hope this will be fixed soon :) --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:09, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're the best, Steinsplitter. Let us know what you learn. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 13:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about involvement on en.wv[edit]

Please see here This is being cross-posted to the Village Pump for greater visibility. Koavf (talk) 16:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand well, would the community of wikiversity like gotten involved in Wikipedia Education program? @AKoval (WMF): your commentary will be the welcome imo.--Grind24 (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering if the Wikiversity community is involed in the Wikipedia Education Program? I can imagine some students and teachers will also like to work on a learning platform where the can make learning materials and ask questions. Timboliu (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 Dear Koavf, Grind24, and Timboliu,

Thank you for pinging me. I have replied to the original post in the Wikiversity:Colloquium here and at Talk:Education here. I am very happy to see this conversation continue.

All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A few of us at en-wv have recently been discussing the Wikipedia Education Program and Wikipedia Year of Science 2016. We are very interested in building stronger ties cross-wiki, esp. for educational endeavors. We're in the early stages of planning our own v:Wikiversity:Year of Science 2016. I'm also planning activities at Brown University including Wikipedian in Residence/Ladd Observatory and a couple of science edit-a-thons at the libraries on campus. Feel free to ping me on my talk page if you'd like to know more or have any ideas. --mikeu talk 20:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Asking for endorsement for “Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal”[edit]

Dear my fellow Wikipedians,
Greetings from Kolkata, India.
I am pleased to inform you that we are going to organize a expedition project “Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal” under “Wikipedia Treks Mountain “in September 2015. This is a high-altitude trekking expedition from Gangotri to Badrinath in the Garhwal Himalayan region of India, targeting all language editions of Wikipedia, Commons, Wikspecies, Wikivoyage and other WMF projects. The overall purpose of Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal is to increase the material related to Himalayan Range with a free license in Wikimedia Commons and improve the quality and increase the amount of articles about diversifying Himalayan mountain range and other respective variety in different languages in Wikipedia. Reaching out to the majority of Himalayan mountain range during this trekking program will not only raise awareness among various community chapters, but also motivate them to contribute to the Wikimedia projects and organize this kind of trekking expedition in future.
I just need an endorsement from all of you for this unique project
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Sujay25/Wikipedia_Treks_Kalindi_Khal
Feel free to discuss about the project in the discussion page.
Thanks in advance,
With warm regards,
Sujay25 (talk) 19:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi @Sujay25:, I notice that your request has now been funded. Congratulations. I just want to talk a little about the wording of your post on this page. While it is perfectly ok to post notifications of discussions to relevant pages, there is a difference between notifying other users and canvassing. The former is ok, and the latter is not. It's ok to ask other people to comment on a proposal and to endorse it if they like it. However, please avoid simply asking for other people to endorse a proposal, because that crosses the line into canvassing. Thanks, and good luck with your project. --Pine✉ 16:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish biologists[edit]

Hi. There apparently seem to be some wave of Spanish speaking (Mexican it seems) biologists. It looks that they are mixing outreachwiki with Wikipedia for me. I have deleted one article but it seems that more are coming so something is to be done. Yo no hablo español so it should be someone else :) --Base (talk) 03:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Base: Gracias! Koavf (talk) 03:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Logo Needed[edit]

Hello, is there anyone who can help with creating a logo for the Edu-Program South Africa

Ras Benjih (talk) 15:23, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Pine, for making a new WEP logo. I've added your file to Commons:Category:Wikipedia Education Program logos, as per the instructions at Education/Visual identity#Gallery. For some reason, though, it's not showing up in the thumbnails. Did I break the wiki?? Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ras Benjih, for creating and updating a new education program plan for South Africa. It's clear from the history that you've put quite a lot of work into it. I also noticed your SOSA page. I'm pinging my teammate Tighe Flanagan. He is the regional program manager at the Wikimedia Foundation who is responsible for coordinating with the education programs in Africa. I'm sure that he will want to know more about your project's plans and activities. I certainly do! :) I warmly welcome you to the Wikipedia Education Program and look forward to following your progress. All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Pine. Mystery solved. I'm not going to lie. I didn't know that a category could be more than one page long. Though it makes total sense. Thanks for the pro-tip. Next time I'll look for the 'next page' links at the bottom of the page. The bright side is that two good things came from this question: 1. I learned something. :) and 2. I didn't break the wiki. :) All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Complicated is an understatement! Thanks for being cool about it, Pine. Regrettably, I'm unable to attend WikiConference USA 2015. But Tighe from my team is going, since he's local. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 19:57, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Still thanking you for the great logo you made for our Program! Ras Benjih/RasTalk 19:55, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ras Benjih: Hello, my colleague, Anna, flagged this discussion for me above. It's great to see your energy around programmatic educational activity in South Africa! I'd love to learn more about your plans as you go forward. Feel free to ping me on my talk page or via email (tflanagan﹫wikimedia.org. I am also curious if you are in touch with anyone from the Wikimedia South Africa Chapter? They are the local affiliate that might also be able to provide you with support and more familiar with your local context. TFlanagan-WMF (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request for input regarding video proposal[edit]

Dear Wikimedia colleagues:

I am developing a proposal for a video series that's designed to introduce Wikimedia to new contributors (particularly in GLAM and education programs), and to motivate them to participate in the community in a constructive way. I would appreciate your input. The video is intended for translation into multiple languages; there are already volunteers for Spanish, German and Greek translation.

The proposal's main draft page is here.

The proposal talk page is here; it includes a draft outline of specific subjects that the video may cover.

Please note that the scope and budget of the project are still under consideration. At this point it would be especially helpful to have input on the subjects that the video should cover, and how best to cover them. This information will help as the project scope and budget are refined.

Please add your questions and comments to the talk page.

If you would like to support the project with your endorsement, please do so here

If you would like to volunteer to translate the video, please email me or comment on the talk page.

Thanks and regards,

--Pine✉ 22:11, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Pine, for posting this notice on the Outreach Village Pump. I wish there were more endorsements of a project that will support outreach efforts in education, libraries, and GLAM. But it would be inappropriate for me to canvas from my staff account since I'm a project volunteer. WP:IAR?? :)
Seriously and sincerely, I ask everyone to please read this proposal. Almost every wiki group/program/project would benefit from a professionally produced video playlist that: 1. introduces Wikipedia, Wikimedia, and our movement 2. educates new audiences about who we are and what we do and 3. motivates them to get involved.
Please consider adding an endorsement or signing on as a volunteer. Thank you. Boldly yours, Msannakoval (talk) 20:43, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Extra domains's aliases/redirects[edit]

It is known that quite many pages on this wiki are availible through some extra fancy domains like

and so on.

The question is where can I find the complete list of all these aliases of this wiki's pages? It would be good to have some track of them. For example, if I mark a page they lead to for translation it would be sensible enough to have that alias redirected to the Special:MyLanguage/ form rather than leaving it directed to English version. Or if I move a page or delete a duplicate (where it is more justified than just redirection, like when there's a typo in name to boot) a change should or even must be done. Without such a list with every such action I just have to hope that I don't break some untraceable thing down, which is not very wiki-like feeling :) --Base (talk) 02:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I just deleted a response that I wrote which was irrelevant. Koavf (talk) 04:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Glaisher on #wikimedia-tech answered that here it is: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/OPUP/browse/production/modules/mediawiki/files/apache/sites/redirects/redirects.dat . --Base (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
though this does not include glamwiki.org which is apparently in hands of WMUK so we still lack a complete list. Would be nice if everybody lists such redirects they have made. --Base (talk) 18:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Tried making a change: gerrit:241564. More to follow as I (and hopefully not just I) mark more pages for translation. --Base (talk) 20:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 Well, this is a very handy list! Thanks for requesting it, Base. Thanks for posting it, Koavf. I really like the clever subtitle: "The oyster knife of URL manipulation." :)

For the record, I myself was only aware of one domain alias/redirect for education program wiki pages, and that is the funnel: education.wikimedia.org, which points to outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Education. I personally had no idea that there were twenty others. <blink> Can't speak for the rest of my team. Not that it matters. Point is, we know now. Thank you. My next question is: what do we do with them (or what do we do about them)? But Base answers that: just keep track, if only for translation purposes. Will do.

And, while I'm on the topic of translation, I just want to say thank you very much, Base, for all your work on that. It is truly appreciated. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 20:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Field trip: Wiki Loves Monuments in Pakistan[edit]

In case anyone would like to go on a virtual field trip for simple enjoyment, please check out this Gallery section in the upcoming issue of the Signpost, courtesy of the Wiki Loves Monuments participants in Pakistan. (Pinging TFlanagan-WMF and AKoval (WMF)). --Pine✉ 18:03, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Pine, for the ping! What an amazing set of images! And looks like a diverse cohort of users as well, which is also great to see :) TFlanagan-WMF (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Stunning photography. Thanks for the clickbait, Pine. Completely and totally worthwhile. I am in awe of the talent in our movement. Thank you for sharing a gorgeous glimpse of it with me. Made my day. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I need help from Admin[edit]

I made a big mistake by editing on a page that i shoudn't have to. Can you please fight vandalism on Template:Student Organization Userbox

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 20:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ras Benjih. Could you clarify what action do you want an admin to perform? I see that the template was created by an anonymous user in 2011 and then you edited it by mistake (I assume you wanted to create a template basing on this one rather then editing it, didn't you?) and then reverted your edits which you have done successfully. Do you need a help on creating a template basing on this meta-template? --Base (talk) 21:48, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Base, it seems like i vandalized the page. Can you search that. I will tell you if i want to create one. Thanks

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 22:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ras Benjih well you did extend the template by mistake at first, then you blanked the template and after that you have reverted all your edits there with Twinkle (using a revert button for vandalism I suppose, thus the description). Now the template looks exactly as before you edits so don't worry you have fixed all your mistakes yourself and no further action is required. OK, feel free to ask if you need any help. Thank you for drawing attention. --Base (talk) 22:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC) Just to make it cleared though it changes nothing since no action is required — I am an administrator in here (along with 122 other users :) ). --Base (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Base hmm! You make me feel like i'm in a place that I was never been at all. Thank you very much for comforting me.

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 22:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

More page stats needed[edit]

Dear Outreach,

I find myself frequently lately wanting or needing more statistics or page information than we seem to have access to here on Outreach wiki.

One use case is wanting to quantify a user's contributions for citations when endorsing proposals or applications or when awarding barnstars or wikilove.

I manually calculated the metrics for Jami, Roxy, and Paola. I don't mind doing math, but there must be some simpler method that I'm just apparently unaware of.

Several external tools exclude Outreach wiki:

Even internal tools that are linked on our revision history pages don't seem to work either.

Take this page, for example.

https://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Instructor_Basics_education_brochure/es&offset=&limit=500&action=history

First click 'View history' and then click 'Edits by user'.

First, the link points here:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/usersearch/index.html?page=Instructor_Basics_education_brochure/es&server=outreachwiki

But within 3 seconds, it redirects here:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py

TL;DR: I want more page info stats and contributor info for linkable citations for on-wiki endorsements and commendations without querying Wikimetrics. How can I get these, please? Thank you, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Koval (WMF), when I asked at #wikimedia-labs about it Krenair pointed that (partly quoting, the channel is publicly logged) xtools-articleinfo does't seem to work for any wiki, wppagehiststat seems to be missing a bunch of special wikis, except for commons, meta and species; wikiblame seems to just work; the usersearch one that redirects seems to do it for any wiki, not just outreach. --Base (talk) 21:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And could you please list what exactly numbers/data do you want to have? --Base (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, it really is something that the developers of those apps should enable (and I am puzzled as to why it was not done years ago), but I would be more than willing to ask each one if you wanted, because this is something that is long overdue. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Kevin and Base.
For user stats, it is my opinion that we should be able to see the same information for Outreach wiki contributors that we can see for other language projects on wmflabs tools, for example:
For page stats, it is my opinion that we should be able to see the same information for Outreach wiki pages that we can see for other language projects on wmflabs tools, for example:
Is is that difficult to add one more wiki to these tools' query lists? No idea. But Outreach is the home of the Movement's 2 largest and most active programs: GLAM and Education. It sure would be nice (as well as fair) to be able to cite data about participation on this wiki in reports, applications, proposals, and endorsements. Just my two cents. Thanks for listening. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Σ has enabled support for outreach wiki in his tools. I hope xtools guys will follow the good example :) --Base (talk) 22:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Base and Σ! :) /me is happy camper now. :) https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/ now work for 'outreachwiki': article revision statistics search example, user contribution search example, and pages created search example are all functioning fine. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the log here of what I was speaking with Anna off-wiki I mentioned that in case some data are needed I can fetch some via bot and write on a page if needed. It is limited to what API and my actually bad coding skills allow but in general that's quite broad range. --Base (talk) 22:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fetching data via bot?? Very interesting... That's a helpful backup option and work-around solution, Base, and it's good to know. Will remember this option, and if there is a need for specific data for a specific purpose, then will ask about your bot. For now, there is no imminent need, just a general wish, with which you and Σ have already helped a lot! :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Ori_Livneh xtools now work for this wiki ^_^ --Base (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Updates to Template:Welcome[edit]

Dear Outreach,

Just noting here too that I've recently updated our {{welcome}} template via: Template:Welcome/text.

The rationale is posted on the template's talk page at: Template talk:Welcome/text#Major overhaul.

All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why the text at Template:Welcome/text isn't mirroring at Template:Welcome. Pinging @Base:... Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because it isn't marked for translation yet. I was about to do it but found a minor problem from earlier with the template which caused me to stop to think :) Though it can be solved afterwards so could be marked for the time being --Base (talk) 08:02, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I marked the page for now. :) (the first version of the page isn't marked well, maybe tvars should be added. I leave this for Base :-D) --Steinsplitter (talk) 10:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Steinsplitter! Seems to work well now: Example A, Example B. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 13:39, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wikis are amazing! Not only does the newly-fixed welcome template work properly in new posts, but also it somehow automatically updates itself on pages where it was previously used: Example A from one week ago, Example B from 10 months ago. Awesome! :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@AKoval (WMF): This is the difference between mw:Transclusion and Substitution. If a template is transcluded, it is always added to the page "as is" the moment the page is rendered. Consequently, old versions of pages will have some content that can change. This also means that if the template is deleted, all of the past revisions are broken. If a template is substituted, it will always look the same but it can't be updated to reflect any new additions. Koavf (talk) 02:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining that, Koavf. It helps to know the name for this superpower! Transclusion is magical and wikis are mighty. ❤ Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@AKoval (WMF): You are. Koavf (talk) 03:18, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: Thank you. Likewise. And that's perhaps the greatest understatement I've ever made in my life. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Interprogetto[edit]

Dear Outreach Wikimedians,

I'm wondering if you know what the English equivalent is for this template:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Interprogetto

You can see it shown here on Italian Wikipedia:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educazione#Altri_progetti

This is the wikitext code:

{{interprogetto|etichetta=educazione|q|q_preposizione=sull'|s=Categoria:Educazione e formazione|s_preposizione=sull'|s2=L'Educazione|s2_oggetto=diverse opere|s2_preposizione=dal titolo|s2_etichetta=''L'educazione''|wikt=educazione|commons=Category:Education|commons_preposizione=sull'}}

I like that the interwiki links in the Italian article fit neatly into a bullet list.

I'd like to use it on Outreach wiki, specifically on Education program pages in a new layout that I'm drafting here:

https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:AKoval_(WMF)/Wikipedia_Education_Program_page_template

Elitre (WMF) pointed me to these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sister_project_links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sister-inline

But the English version may be more complicated than the Italian one!

I did find these templates on Outreach wiki:

https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Sister

https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia

They're close, but not quite right. So, do we have a template similar to the Italian Template:Interprogetto on Outreach wiki? And if not, would it be difficult to create it?

It would likely be much easier for someone who understands Italian: Category:User it. :)

Any help would be much appreciated. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Please see also the related Phabricator task: T117057. Thanks, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! What do you mean by "But the English version may be more complicated than the Italian one!"? --Base (talk) 22:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just that the template was so well documented that it exceeded my own ability to understand it. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@AKoval (WMF): I think that transferring the functionality of either template would be fairly easy but did you choose the Italian one because it has a collapsible option? Why do you prefer it to the English one? Koavf (talk) 01:48, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hadn't considered collapsibility. That's an interesting idea. Might be nice functionality to have, especially if it's built-in anyway. The English template is lovely. But, as I understand it, it's a box. Said box could be added to a page below the TOC, for example. And that would work. What appealed to me about the Italian template was that it can be used in a bullet list in a page section. Hope this helps frame my thinking. Any Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Base: @Koavf: Really appreciate you both getting back to me about this. I apologize for my uber-delayed reply. I can't recall getting any pings from this page?? :\ It'd be great if one of you had the bandwidth at some point to import the English template to Outreach, since Base indicated on the phab task here that the Italian one could not be imported. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another stats question: total pageviews[edit]

Just wondering if there is a way to see pageviews stats totals -- that is, for all time, since a page was created. For example, stats.grok.se gives us 90 days worth of views. But is there some way to see more? User:Husky's multilingual page views tool -- https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/langviews/ -- is awesome. Except that it didn't work for an Outreach wiki URL. The results for the English Wikipedia article Education are impressive, but they are for only 30 days, not the entire history of the article. I'm thinking that this could be an interesting data point for Wikimedians doing Outreach work in educational and GLAM institutions. For example, a teacher can show a student the global audience of an article that s/he contributed to. Likewise, a museum curator can show a board of directors the traffic to an article about one of their collection's items. These impressive metrics demonstrate and quantify the far-reaching impact of our work. Which is why I am curious if this is possible. Thanks so much, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 11:53, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@AKoval (WMF): I am walking out the door for work but I think the data exist but have not been manipulated by any tool to visualize it. Have you checked the dumps yet or the RESTbase API yet? Koavf (talk) 15:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: Thanks for getting back to me about this. I did see the dumps, but was not really sure what to do with them. I was not aware of the RESTbase API, and again, I'm not sure what to do with that either. This topic is a bit beyond my depth, which is why I asked. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 17:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@AKoval (WMF): At the risk of being dismissive, did you see this blog post? I fear that I may be too illiterate technologically to help you as well but I will try. Koavf (talk) 07:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: Not dismissive at all. I'd missed that blog post. Thank you. The new pageview API sounds promising. If I read this right, it means no more manual number crunching. That's great. Although I read it, I still don't fully get it. And I can't figure out on my own how it works. But that's ok. I'll write to Dan Andreescu and see if I can get a tutorial from him and an answer to the question about pageview stats for Outreach. Don't want to bother you with this. I'm really grateful to you for pointing me in the right direction. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 22:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@AKoval (WMF): I'd like to help--I like helping and I would like to learn about this myself anyway. I'm just afraid that I will not do a good or timely job. Koavf (talk) 05:24, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: Wrote to Dan. He told me that "outreach wiki is not considered "content" by the research team and so the pageview definition they wrote specifically excludes outreach wiki data from all pageview data and APIs." :\ My reply to that was: Why, then, isn't Meta excluded on similar grounds? It's not 'content' either. :\ I've commented on the related Phabricator task here: T118987. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 22:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@AKoval (WMF): Agreed. I'm adding myself to that ticket as well and keeping an eye on it. This wiki is a little different than all of the other WMF ones and has a substantial community. Koavf (talk) 04:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sticky note[edit]

Can somebody review {{this template}} and fix mal functions if found. Thanks

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 06:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ras Benjih: I'm confused as to what it is supposed to do but it seems like it's working fine on your userpage. Koavf (talk) 06:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: Thanks for your review on {{Template:Sticky}}

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 07:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox page[edit]

Now everyone can create a sandbox as your studying field. To do so view {{Template:Sandbox}} more info is there to help you how. You may like to see this. Thanks! Ras Benjih/RasTalk 15:46, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Substantial edit[edit]

See here I have amended Drawbacks to encourage potential instructors to seek out our sister sites in case Wikipedia is not the best project for their proposed activities. I think we should all do more to promote the relative strengths of our sisters. Koavf (talk) 23:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that substantial edit, Koavf! Nice work. I've linked to Drawbacks at Education/Benefits and challenges and at Education/Reasons to use Wikipedia. Are there any other pages here on Outreach that outline the benefits of using Wikipedia with students, to your knowledge? Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 21:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@AKoval (WMF): Not off-hand. I wish I had something more substantial but I didn't want your question to go ignored. Koavf (talk) 05:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-production starts for Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons tutorial videos[edit]

We are excited that pre-production has started for a series of motivational and educational videos that will introduce Wikipedia and some of its sister projects to new contributors.

Over the past several years, many videos have been produced to train new contributors. This series will feature VisualEditor and the new citation tool called Citoid. Additionally, the series will include an introduction to the Wikimedia Commons repository of freely-licensed media.

The video series and associated materials will help students and instructors who participate in the Wikipedia Education Program. The series is also designed to assist the professional staff and volunteers of galleries, libraries, archives, and museums (GLAMs) with understanding how their content gains exposure on Wikimedia sites, and how to document or upload their content for direct viewing on Wikipedia and its sister projects.

The video content will be available in segments that can be viewed, translated, or updated individually.

There are currently volunteer translators for Arabic, Armenian, Czech, German, Greek, Odia, and Spanish. Additional volunteers with high proficiency translation skills are welcome to sign up on the talk page.

We are currently seeking feedback on the outline for the scripts, as well as suggestions for an attractive name for the series. Please leave any comments on this talk page!

Regards,

Pine✉

Series director and screenwriter

Notes[edit]

This series is funded by an individual engagement grant from the Wikimedia Foundation. A big thanks to the community, the IEG Committee, and WMF for their support.

Request to add Outreach wiki to User:Faebot/thanks[edit]

Noting that I have requested that Fæ to add Outreach wiki to User:Faebot/thanks. It will be interesting to see how much thanking is happening here overall, and if thanking is increasing or decreasing over time, and who are our community's most and least prolific thankers. Thanking is a great barometer of our community's gratitude, albeit only one measure of it. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 22:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that this is now {{done}}. :)
Please visit this page -- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/thanks/outreach -- to see thanks stats for Outreach wiki.
Please visit this page -- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/thanks -- to see thanks stats for other wikis.
And thanks to Fæ for tracking thanking. Sincerely, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 17:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Share your thoughts regarding transparency best practices at the Wikimedia Foundation[edit]

Wikimedia Foundation staff are trying to improve transparency in the foundation's work. Help us improve our processes by sharing your experiences on what has worked or has not worked in the past. We welcome stories related to affiliates' experiences as well, if relevant.

Join the conversation at meta:Talk:Transparency/Practices

Thanks! --EGalvez (WMF) (talk) 22:55, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Permission to delete pages[edit]

Dear Outreach Wiki,

I am helping out here now in my volunteer capacity since I am no longer staff of the Wikimedia Foundation. I assure you that I left of my own free will and under no clouds of conspiracy. I am simply returning to teaching, and I am very much looking forward to it. Wikipedia will definitely be part of my curriculum and I may offer my new students the opportunity contribute, under my guidance, as part of an optional class project, just as I did in 2011 when I first created my account. If only I knew then how much I know now!

I am committed to remaining an active Wikimedian. I intend to continue to support the global education program, as I have been doing today, on my very first day as a free citizen again. :) I love Outreach wiki and it's small but might community. I consider it my home wiki. And I would miss it if it weren't still a part of my life. Furthermore, as an educator myself, I know well the power of outreach. This project's unique narrow scope serves a vital purpose, one that I am proud to serve.

My first task is to continue working on the Education/Historic data campaign with Floor Koudijs. I will be creating pages and updating pages for the most part, but I may also need to delete pages that are no longer needed or which were drafts that we abandoned. I attempted to do that today. But I discovered that I lack sufficient permissions to delete pages with my volunteer account. This was a privilege that I had with staff account. So my question is: what do I do now if I wish to delete a page? Should I flag it with a template (if so, which one?) and wait for an admin to take care of it?

Would it be inappropriate or too soon to request adminship here on Outreach wiki? I remember well the recent cleaning up user rights conversation and wouldn't want to cause any undue controversy, especially not now. That said, according to the Special:ActiveUsers list, I am the second most active contributor to this project in the last 30 days, in my volunteer capacity. For what it's worth, the most active user was also me, in my staff capacity.

Thanks so much for welcoming me here on Outreach wiki. I'm happy I'm sticking around. :) Msannakoval (talk) 19:59, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Msannakoval: I very much approve and would have done it already if I were a bureaucrat. Koavf (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is a nobrainer. Done. Happy to see you contributing :-). --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Koavf. :) Thanks, Steinsplitter. :) OK, now I really need to read the admin manual! Please let me know how and where I can help in this new capacity. And feel free to remove the rights from my staff account -- User:AKoval (WMF) -- since they're no longer needed or appropriate. Msannakoval (talk) 18:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: I just gave you bureaucrat rights since you can be trusted with them. Anna, if you ever need anything higher, drop a note here and we can give you them. I have also gone and blocked your staff account as is custom with former WMF staff accounts, just so you know. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Kevin. :) Thanks also for promoting Koavf to bureaucrat and Edward to admin and translation admin. Having them able to help more around here is much appreciated. Msannakoval (talk) 22:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to all. Let em know how else I can help here and in the Wikimedia movement. Koavf (talk) 04:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sysop & Bureaucracy[edit]

Can somebody help to nominate Ras Benjih becoming an admin and bureaucracy as well, ca there's a lot for me to do. check on on active user I made more than 200 edit in last 30days. Thanks!

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 06:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You never had any right on this wiki, you have to use the official process by filing a request at Wikimedia:Requests for permissions. --Steinsplitter (talk) 13:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There is no way that you are going to be granted the bureaucrat if you have never been administrator before. Furthermore, you are indefinitely blocked on Commons for uploading unfree content, so I trust you would not be trustworthy with that tool. However, you are welcome to apply, but I do not see you with any other rights on this project, so I am leery to granting them if you don't have advanced permissions to begin with. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The New Wikimedia, February 2016[edit]

In January this year we started an initiative to get more attention for the sisterprojects in the Dutch community. Some discussions later we are wondering if it is possible to start a movement to change more things. Here are some things we would like to change:

  • A nicer athmosphere when discussing subjects. In the current situation you often see very aggresive discussions in the Dutch Wikipedia pub.
  • An online discussion about the activities supported by Wikimedia Nederland. In the current situation Wikimedia Nederland only supports Wikipedia related projects. It's very hard to start a new experiment.
  • Less focus on Wikipedia. More attention for sister projects.
  • More collaboration with companies and initiatives like Seats2Meet (http://www.seats2meet.com) and Part-up (http://www.part-up.com).

We also have plans to start an international movement, but first we want to focus on the Dutch community.

Regards,

Tim, Timboliu (talk) 19:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tim, feel free to keep people here in the loop, as we would love to be engaged with whatever the Dutch community has to offer! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Translation tool[edit]

Can someone update the translating status of other languages in Template:Recentchanges/text to reflect that changes has been made[1]? OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:36, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All the wikis will be closed briefly[edit]

Ops is making some major changes with the data centers. When this happens, all of the wikis – every project and every language – will be closed for editing briefly, for approximately 15 to 30 minutes. This is currently scheduled to happen on both Tuesday, 22 March and Thursday, 24 March.

You will be able to get more information (including any schedule changes) through m:Tech/News. Please leave a message for me at w:en:User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF) if you are planning a training project, edit-a-thon, or other event on those days. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is being postponed until the week of 18 April 2016. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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