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Auto-updating WiR table[edit]

Main discussion at Talk:Wikipedian_in_Residence

I'm in the process of writing some templates to be able to make the Wikipedian_in_Residence table easier to maintain using wikidata. Evolution and evolvability (talk) 00:40, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Import request[edit]

In order to implement w:Template:WiR_table_row here, could I request the import of:

  1. w:module:WikidataIB/sandbox to module:WikidataIB
  2. w:Template:WiR_table_row to Template:WiR_table_row
  3. w:Template:WiR_table_start to Template:WiR_table_start

Thank you! Evolution and evolvability (talk) 23:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Evolution and evolvability thanks for your request. I haven't previously imported a module. I'll ping active Outreach bureaucrat User:Koavf to ask what he thinks about this request. ↠Pine () 00:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Pine: Thanks. @Evolution and evolvability: I'll do this but man, importing is a huge pain, since there is always a cascading set of hundreds of modules/templates that are dependencies for anything. :/ Koavf (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Evolution and evolvability: Importing keeps on failing, likely due to exactly what I mentioned above. Do you really need these locally and at en.wp? Why are they in two places? Koavf (talk) 00:39, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
      • Realistically, they're more useful either here or on metawiki. I was only using wikipedia to develop them to test whether I could get the templates work before asking for imports. I've made the import request at meta as well (import request; location suggestion). It mainly depends on where it's best to centralise WiR info to. Evolution and evolvability (talk) 03:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
        • @Evolution and evolvability: Let's see if m: can do it: there are many more resources there to support it. If they won't do it, then I will. The overlap between Meta and Outreach is still not really sussed out, so for now, it seems like Meta can work as a host for this material. Thanks for editing here, tho and I hope you stick around here. Koavf (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf, Evolution and evolvability: have these requests been completed? ↠Pine () 06:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@Pine, Koavf: I don't think so yet. The module:WikidataIB is still the old version. (test page). Evolution and evolvability (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@Pine, Evolution and evolvability: I still have not done this because of the sheer headache I mentioned above. Do we really need to import dozens (hundreds?) of templates and modules for several hours for this? If the answer is yes, I'll do it but if not, I a do not want to deal with the headache of all this importing (nor do I want someone else to do it unless he is committed to ensuring that there are not a bunch of red links). Koavf (talk) 00:01, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf, Pine: My understanding was that because module:WikidataIB is already present locally, it'd only be necessary to update the local version to the most current version from en.wp. I thought that importing the large number of additional templates and modules was only necessary for creating the initial local version of the module. Alternatives would be either A) import meta:User:ListeriaBot in stead, or B) Just redirect the Wikipedian in Residence page over to meta:Wikipedian in Residence to avoid duplication. What're people's thoughts? Evolution and evolvability (talk) 01:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Evolution and evolvability: I tried and had it just sit there without finishing for awhile, then tried again and got "Import failed: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading? Query: UPDATE `page` SET page_latest = '207189',page_touched = '20191028012806',page_is_new = '0',page_is_redirect = '0',page_len = '130489',page_content_model = 'Scribunto' WHERE page_id = '52276' AND page_latest = '204412' Function: WikiPage::updateRevisionOn Error: 1205 Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction ([IP address redacted])", then tried again and got a database error: "To avoid creating high replication lag, this transaction was aborted because the write duration (10.47375202179) exceeded the 3 second limit. If you are changing many items at once, try doing multiple smaller operations instead. [XdndPApAAEIAAEzMqe8AAACH] 2019-11-24 01:30:50: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBTransactionSizeError" This is why I don't like doing this. I tried a fourth time and a single revision was imported. Is that all that was needed? Koavf (talk) 01:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf, Evolution and evolvability: I don't know how the import process works. Could scripting or a bot be used to automate the process? Also, would it be worth asking in IRC or Wikitech-l for advice regarding how to make import process be less time consuming? ↠Pine () 01:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
This is definitely something a bot could do but I am too ignorant to be able to actually write one that does it. Koavf (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf: Thank you for all your efforts on this. Sadly it's still not fully functional (test page), but does clarify what the best solution probably is for the Wikipedian in Residence page. Evolution and evolvability (talk) 02:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Koavf and Evolution and evolvability how about creating a request on Phabricator for someone to create a bot that does the job? Perhaps someone would be willing to work on this for a Google Summer of Code or Outreachy internship. Also, I'll ping User:Astinson (WMF) to ask him for ideas. ↠Pine () 02:53, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Actually, there might also be an additional option for that one page: mw:Extension:InterwikiExtracts might allow it to be possible to transclude the whole meta:Wikimedian in residence across from meta to outreachwiki to keep them synchronised (ping [[User:|]] to check if I've misunderstood its capabilities). Evolution and evolvability (talk) 06:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I can try to make this page and see what happens. Koavf (talk) 07:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Pine, Evolution and evolvability: phab:T239010 Koavf (talk) 07:54, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Koavf, Evolution and evolvability: this proposal does not appear to be moving forward on Phabricator. ↠Pine () 19:49, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
@Pine, Evolution and evolvability: Agreed. A soft redirect or a bot that cross references or just manual copying and pasting will have to do. Koavf (talk) 00:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started[edit]

-- Kbrown (WMF) 17:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Kbrown (WMF): Thanks for the message. ↠Pine () 00:34, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • kbrown: Unfortunately for me, i am now one of thousands of individuals who have first hand experience of what it feels like to be indefinitely/infinitely blocked. Are you interested in heaing from people like me? Ottawahitech (talk) @Kbrown (WMF): Ottawahitech (talk) 10:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project[edit]

06:53, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Junk pages[edit]

I've deleted four junk pages which were created in a relatively short time span. Note to admins to keep an eye out for junk pages. Non-admins can tag these for deletion, following the directions at Wikimedia:Deletion policy. ↠Pine () 20:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Village pump archiving[edit]

I archived several threads from this page to Wikimedia:Village pump/Archive 6. ↠Pine () 06:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Appointments of local checkusers and oversighters for Outreach wiki[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not edit it. The outcome of the discussion is "no consensus".
↠Pine () 03:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Enough junk pages are being created here that I am becoming increasingly open to the idea of having local checkusers so that they can look at IP ranges where junk accounts are created and create rangeblocks if appropirate. Also, occasionally there are needs for suppression of information here, and we don't have local oversighters, so when incidents happen, local admins usually apply revdel and then request suppression from a steward. What do others think about the idea of starting appointment processes for local checkusers and oversighters for Outreach wiki? I am not planning to request these permissions for myself in the near future, but I would be willing to assist with the appointment processes. ↠Pine () 06:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to start an appointments process for local checkusers[edit]


  • Agree We should have locals who can do steward activity because this is a particularly outward-facing wiki and having to wait on stewards (whose attention should be focused on large-spread abuse and abuse on smaller wikis) introduces overhead that we shouldn't have here. There are several long-term editors who are trusted and can perform this in this role if they are willing. Koavf (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Agree Per nom and above. This sounds reasonable. --mikeu talk 06:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)



  • Oppose Honestly, i don't think this is necessary. It can be handled by Stewards. --Steinsplitter (talk) 07:33, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • The only need for CU here is for spambots. And when that happens the actions (rangeblocks) should really be global and not local, so you would need a steward anyway. --Rschen7754 23:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


Proposal to start an appointments process for local oversighters[edit]


  • Agree We should have locals who can do steward activity because this is a particularly outward-facing wiki and having to wait on stewards (whose attention should be focused on large-spread abuse and abuse on smaller wikis) introduces overhead that we shouldn't have here. There are several long-term editors who are trusted and can perform this in this role if they are willing. Koavf (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Agree Per nom and above. Another reasonable suggestion. --mikeu talk 06:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)



  • Oppose Honestly, i don't think this is necessary. It can be handled by Stewards. --Steinsplitter (talk) 07:33, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Not really convinced, there are several larger wikis that don't have OS and have way more suppression requests (nlwiki for example). 3 requests in 2019 does not justify having local oversighters. --Rschen7754 23:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


  • Hi @Koavf: I would like to see more participation in this discussion. What do you think about the possibility of using MassMessage to place talk page notices on the Outreach talk pages of all unblocked users who have made an edit to Outreach in the past 90 days? ↠Pine () 20:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Pine: Good idea to me. Koavf (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Koavf: OK. Do you know how to get the list of contributors from the past 90 days who aren't blocked? I can get a list of recently active users from Special:ActiveUsers, but that list is for the past 30 days and I think that it includes blocked users. ↠Pine () 21:38, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I can make a list of all users who have made an edit in the last 90 days, excluding those currently blocked - is that what you want? --DannyS712 (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
    Its actually pretty easy to filter those that are blocked - all of their edits have been deleted, so they don't show up in the revision table. I'll tweak the query to remove bots, and provide the list momentarily --DannyS712 (talk) 23:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The following users have made edits since September first:
AVasanth (WMF)
Alicia Fagerving (WMSE)
Andrews Lartey
Anup Sadi
Ash Crow
Astinson (WMF)
Astrid Carlsen (WMNO)
Avery Jensen
Awangba Mangang
Axel Pettersson (WMSE)
Beat Estermann
Catherine Laurence
Celina Strzelecka (WMPL)
Céréales Killer
Daniel Mietchen
Dominik Theis (WMDE)
Evolution and evolvability
Florencia Guastavino (WMAR)
Gunay M.E.
Jagseer S Sidhu
Joy Agyepong
Klara Sielicka-Baryłka (WMPL)
La Mantis
Luisina Ferrante (WMAR)
MGuadalupe (WMF)
MMiller (WMF)
Marco Chemello (BEIC)
Mari Avetisyan WMAM
Marta Arosio (WMIT)
Martin Urbanec
Mary Mark Ockerbloom
MichellevL (WMNL)
NGC 54
NSaad (WMF)
Naga sai sravanth
Nawaraj Ghimire
Nirmal Dulal
Nur Rahmi Nailah (WMID)
RSharma (WMF)
SGill (WMF)
SPatnaik (WMF)
Sabine Rønsen (WMNO)
SandraF (WMF)
Tar Lócesilion
Tore Danielsson (WMSE)
Trizek (WMF)
VHargyono (WMF)
Verdy p
Will (Wiki Ed)
Xavier Cailleau WMFr
ZI Jony
Åsa Paaske Gulbrandsen (WMNO)
  • Hi @DannyS712: thanks for your work, but I don't think that every edit has been deleted from every user that was blocked in the past 90 days. There is one editor in that I recall blocking for making junk edits, probably advertising, but I left one of their pages alone because at least that one page wasn't clearly junk. There is probably a way to filter specifically for blocked editors. Can you look into that, please? ↠Pine () 19:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Contribs for visibility
Blocked users are included (Kbshah6p) and some users (ITskandɹos, ITskandɾos, Karolina0089, SakhileMbatha) had their contributions deleted just now but I didn't bother blocking them. Koavf (talk) 20:30, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I would prefer that sending notices to unblocked users who have at least 1 edit in the past 90 days be a simple job. There is probably a way to create a query for this. @DannyS712: how did you create your list? Thank you, ↠Pine () 06:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I think a wiki like this would really struggle with getting 25 support votes (as required by the CU/OS policies) in a reasonable enough timeframe to be accepted by stewards. --Rschen7754 23:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Rschen7754: given the lack of participation in the past few weeks and the lack of progress on pinging people, I agree. @Mu301: and @Koavf: I propose closing this discussion as "No consensus"; what do you think? ↠Pine () 19:47, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
  • At en-wv we're going through this same discussion and even with a larger base of active contributors it looks like it will take quite a while there. I'm fine wtth no consensus on this. --mikeu talk 19:53, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
  • So it goes. Koavf (talk) 00:48, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Page Wikimedia:Request an account[edit]

The page Wikimedia:Request an account has been created and deleted on numerous occasions. Instead of having this annoyance continue, I added some useful content to the page. There doesn't appear to be a page on Meta for requesting an account, but if there is one then I would link to the Meta page from the Outreach page. Is anyone aware of such a Meta page? ↠Pine () 07:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project[edit]


The Wikimedia Foundation’s Community Development team is seeking to learn more about the way volunteers learn and develop into the many different roles that exist in the movement. Our goal is to build a movement informed framework that provides shared clarity and outlines accessible pathways on how to grow and develop skills within the movement. To this end, we are looking to speak with you, our community to learn about your journey as a Wikimedia volunteer. Whether you joined yesterday or have been here from the very start, we want to hear about the many ways volunteers join and contribute to our movement.

To learn more about the project, please visit the Meta page. If you are interested in participating in the project, please complete this simple Google form. Although we may not be able to speak to everyone who expresses interest, we encourage you to complete this short form if you are interested in participating!

-- LMiranda (WMF) (talk) 19:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit-a-thons and related events[edit]

@Astinson (WMF): someone mentioned in this month's Wikimedia Café an interest in getting help for an edit-a-thon. On the left nav for Outreach wiki we have resources for GLAM and Education. I think that it would make sense to have a link for edit-a-thons there also. What do you think about that idea, and is there a page that you would recommend linking to from the left nav for edit-a-thons? The link could be to a page on Meta if you would recommend one that is there instead of on Outreach. ↠Pine () 21:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Pine: I didn't see this until today. I created a training a couple of years ago on the outreach dashboard that does a good job at describing the edit-a-thon process. Astinson (WMF) (talk) 23:04, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
@Astinson (WMF): OK. @Koavf: how do you feel about adding a link to a page on Outreach for editathons from the left nav, and having a link on the Outreach page to the dashboard page that Astinson (WMF) linked? ↠Pine () 22:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Pine: Thumbs up emoji from me. Koavf (talk) 22:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf: I accidentally learned that we already had a page named edit-a-thon which includes a link to the dashboard. I added the link to the left nav, and while I was there I alphabetized the links for "Projects" and "Resources", and I moved "Contact us" to its own section. One issue is that the new link for edit-a-thons doesn't use the "-url" suffix for the text, and I'm thinking that the suffix might be for linking to something that allows translations. How do the changes look to you, and is there a reason to include the -url suffix? Feel free to revert if you think that something is wrong or should be changed. ↠Pine () 00:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
@Pine: I think it's great. Thanks. Koavf (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

step by step[edit]

hello there, I'm a new member here, could you tell me step by step guide for a beginner like me?

--PutriAmalia1991 (talk) 07:37, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@PutriAmalia1991: We're happy to have you. Outreach is mostly used for publishing work done by existing Wikimedia project users and groups and creating works for the public. As a knowledge-sharing repository, it's a little different from most of our sister projects, so it's hard to say where to dive in if you haven't really worked on other Wikimedia projects much. Did you have anything in mind? Koavf (talk) 10:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf: I haven't have anything in mind yet, could you give me an inspiration? --PutriAmalia1991 (talk) 12:27, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to have you work here but I would recommend one of the sister projects first. I think that voy: and q: are fairly easy to get into. Koavf (talk) 20:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
@PutriAmalia1991: I suggest you heed en:User talk:PutriAmalia1991#Please respect volunteers' time.   — Jeff G. ツ 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to mark Best practices and Success stories as historical[edit]

Best practices and Success stories do not appear to be getting updates. I propose marking these pages as historical and removing the links to them from the main page. ↠Pine () 05:24, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Weak agree Unfortunately, that's correct. I also am not sure how much it really matters. Koavf (talk) 05:41, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support.   — Jeff G. ツ 12:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Reluctant support - Best practices should also be deprecated for translation if its marked as historical --DannyS712 (talk) 09:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Pine: question: just curious why you chose these pages and not others such as opportunities thanks in advance Ottawahitech (talk) 16:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ottawahitech: I fixed your edits. Notifying you because {{ping}} only works if you post it with a signature (i.e. User:Pine did not see you pinging him). Somehow, you also inserted a misspelling into someone else's comment, too. Just a heads-up. Koavf (talk) 17:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi @Ottawahitech: these two pages are linked from the main page. I did not look for additional pages to tag as historical or with similar tags, and would be fine with people proposing additional pages for for tagging. ↠Pine () 05:53, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment I'd say that having two of our most important resources be out of date indicates a larger problem than merely a stale page. I don't yet have a strong opinion on the proposal. I do feel that we might want to solicit new best practices from the community and perhaps start a fresh page for this. --mikeu talk 16:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
stalepage/ inactive/ historical/ outdated? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I would be fine with tagging them as "stale" or "outdated" as an alternative to "historical", and as I proposed with the "historical" tag also removing the links to the pages from the main page. If the pages become active again in the future then these actions may be reversed. ↠Pine () 05:53, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I marked the pages as historical and I removed the links to them from the main page. ↠Pine () 00:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Request to add #EduWiki search from twitter into the whitelist[edit]

Hi everyone,

We at the education team are working on a campaign called #EduWiki challenge on Twitter and other social media channels to help parents, students and teachers engage with Wikimedia projects during the time of pandemic. As I was working to include a search link in one tabs, there was some error saying the link is blocked. As in general twitter links works in outreach wiki, I wasn't sure what's happening... I was confused whether there is a mistake from my side. Where I reached to a colleague and the to User:Xaosflux, you can see the discussion . When I saw the whitelist, I tried to copy paste the exact code from Meta Wiki and accidentally added all the links that were whitelisted on meta. They are not of any use for us, so I have reverted them now. It will be a great help if we could add the twitter search list on whitelist, I have a query, as I see that is globally banned can local whitelist still allow them? --SPatnaik (WMF) (talk) 09:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Questions Hi SPatnaik (WMF), thanks for moving the discussion to here and for asking for input.
Is there a way to set up the string that you whitelist so that it restricts results to only results that include the the query that you want?
Also, are you intending only to query for tweets that include the #EduWiki tag?
Yes, that's the campaign hashtag.-SPatnaik (WMF) (talk) 08:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm pinging one of the Outreach Wiki bureaucrats, Koavf, who may have relevant knowledge and also an educated opinion regarding the request to whitelist a Twitter search query. ↠Pine () 06:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I can probably make the exception if you tell me exactly what is needed. E.g. "All links to* that include the hashtag [x]". Alternately, I don't see any problems with Twitter links as such, so it's not clear to me why you can't include them here. E.g. I just posted a link to Twitter's homepage in this comment and it wasn't blocked. Koavf (talk) 06:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf:, It is this link, It just doesn't me to publish the link on Outreach. --SPatnaik (WMF) (talk) 08:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
@SPatnaik (WMF): Where is this link supposed to be? Koavf (talk) 08:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf:, It will be used here Template:COVID-19 response buttons the first button, for take the EduWiki challenge. --SPatnaik (WMF) (talk) 19:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I can't make it work. Koavf (talk) 09:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes @~riley:, thank you very much :) -SPatnaik (WMF) (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
@SPatnaik (WMF): Since you are part of the education team at wmf I thought you may be interested in an upcoming program advertised on cnn:
CNN and Sesame Street will host a special coronavirus town hall for kids and parents? Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:09, 23 April 2020 (UTC)