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Welcome to the Outreach Wiki's village pump. This page has two functions:

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Discussion about involvement on en.wv[edit]

Please see here This is being cross-posted to the Village Pump for greater visibility. Koavf (talk) 16:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

If I understand well, would the community of wikiversity like gotten involved in Wikipedia Education program? @AKoval (WMF): your commentary will be the welcome imo.--Grind24 (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
I was wondering if the Wikiversity community is involed in the Wikipedia Education Program? I can imagine some students and teachers will also like to work on a learning platform where the can make learning materials and ask questions. Timboliu (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Dear Koavf, Grind24, and Timboliu,

Thank you for pinging me. I have replied to the original post in the Wikiversity:Colloquium here and at Talk:Education here. I am very happy to see this conversation continue.

All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Asking for endorsement for “Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal”[edit]

Dear my fellow Wikipedians,
Greetings from Kolkata, India.
I am pleased to inform you that we are going to organize a expedition project “Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal” under “Wikipedia Treks Mountain “in September 2015. This is a high-altitude trekking expedition from Gangotri to Badrinath in the Garhwal Himalayan region of India, targeting all language editions of Wikipedia, Commons, Wikspecies, Wikivoyage and other WMF projects. The overall purpose of Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal is to increase the material related to Himalayan Range with a free license in Wikimedia Commons and improve the quality and increase the amount of articles about diversifying Himalayan mountain range and other respective variety in different languages in Wikipedia. Reaching out to the majority of Himalayan mountain range during this trekking program will not only raise awareness among various community chapters, but also motivate them to contribute to the Wikimedia projects and organize this kind of trekking expedition in future.
I just need an endorsement from all of you for this unique project
Feel free to discuss about the project in the discussion page.
Thanks in advance,
With warm regards,
Sujay25 (talk) 19:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi @Sujay25:, I notice that your request has now been funded. Congratulations. I just want to talk a little about the wording of your post on this page. While it is perfectly ok to post notifications of discussions to relevant pages, there is a difference between notifying other users and canvassing. The former is ok, and the latter is not. It's ok to ask other people to comment on a proposal and to endorse it if they like it. However, please avoid simply asking for other people to endorse a proposal, because that crosses the line into canvassing. Thanks, and good luck with your project. --Pine 16:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Spanish biologists[edit]

Hi. There apparently seem to be some wave of Spanish speaking (Mexican it seems) biologists. It looks that they are mixing outreachwiki with Wikipedia for me. I have deleted one article but it seems that more are coming so something is to be done. Yo no hablo español so it should be someone else :) --Base (talk) 03:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Base: Gracias! Koavf (talk) 03:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Logo Needed[edit]

Hello, is there anyone who can help with creating a logo for the Edu-Program South Africa

Ras Benjih (talk) 15:23, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

  • @Ras Benjih: what kind of design are you looking for? I can create a simple one if you like. --Pine 16:49, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Done per discussion on my talk page. --Pine 21:35, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Pine, for making a new WEP logo. I've added your file to Commons:Category:Wikipedia Education Program logos, as per the instructions at Education/Visual identity#Gallery. For some reason, though, it's not showing up in the thumbnails. Did I break the wiki?? Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ras Benjih, for creating and updating a new education program plan for South Africa. It's clear from the history that you've put quite a lot of work into it. I also noticed your SOSA page. I'm pinging my teammate Tighe Flanagan. He is the regional program manager at the Wikimedia Foundation who is responsible for coordinating with the education programs in Africa. I'm sure that he will want to know more about your project's plans and activities. I certainly do! :) I warmly welcome you to the Wikipedia Education Program and look forward to following your progress. All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Anna Koval (WMF) please click to the second page of the category to see the logo. --Pine 18:24, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Pine. Mystery solved. I'm not going to lie. I didn't know that a category could be more than one page long. Though it makes total sense. Thanks for the pro-tip. Next time I'll look for the 'next page' links at the bottom of the page. The bright side is that two good things came from this question: 1. I learned something. :) and 2. I didn't break the wiki. :) All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Anna Koval (WMF) it's fine. MediaWiki is a complicated machine. By the way, will I see you in DC? --Pine 18:37, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Complicated is an understatement! Thanks for being cool about it, Pine. Regrettably, I'm unable to attend WikiConference USA 2015. But Tighe from my team is going, since he's local. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 19:57, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Still thanking you for the great logo you made for our Program! Ras Benjih/RasTalk 19:55, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

@Ras Benjih: Hello, my colleague, Anna, flagged this discussion for me above. It's great to see your energy around programmatic educational activity in South Africa! I'd love to learn more about your plans as you go forward. Feel free to ping me on my talk page or via email (tflanagan﹫ I am also curious if you are in touch with anyone from the Wikimedia South Africa Chapter? They are the local affiliate that might also be able to provide you with support and more familiar with your local context. TFlanagan-WMF (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Request for input regarding video proposal[edit]

Dear Wikimedia colleagues:

I am developing a proposal for a video series that's designed to introduce Wikimedia to new contributors (particularly in GLAM and education programs), and to motivate them to participate in the community in a constructive way. I would appreciate your input. The video is intended for translation into multiple languages; there are already volunteers for Spanish, German and Greek translation.

The proposal's main draft page is here.

The proposal talk page is here; it includes a draft outline of specific subjects that the video may cover.

Please note that the scope and budget of the project are still under consideration. At this point it would be especially helpful to have input on the subjects that the video should cover, and how best to cover them. This information will help as the project scope and budget are refined.

Please add your questions and comments to the talk page.

If you would like to support the project with your endorsement, please do so here

If you would like to volunteer to translate the video, please email me or comment on the talk page.

Thanks and regards,

--Pine 22:11, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Pine, for posting this notice on the Outreach Village Pump. I wish there were more endorsements of a project that will support outreach efforts in education, libraries, and GLAM. But it would be inappropriate for me to canvas from my staff account since I'm a project volunteer. WP:IAR?? :)
Seriously and sincerely, I ask everyone to please read this proposal. Almost every wiki group/program/project would benefit from a professionally produced video playlist that: 1. introduces Wikipedia, Wikimedia, and our movement 2. educates new audiences about who we are and what we do and 3. motivates them to get involved.
Please consider adding an endorsement or signing on as a volunteer. Thank you. Boldly yours, Msannakoval (talk) 20:43, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Extra domains's aliases/redirects[edit]

It is known that quite many pages on this wiki are availible through some extra fancy domains like

and so on.

The question is where can I find the complete list of all these aliases of this wiki's pages? It would be good to have some track of them. For example, if I mark a page they lead to for translation it would be sensible enough to have that alias redirected to the Special:MyLanguage/ form rather than leaving it directed to English version. Or if I move a page or delete a duplicate (where it is more justified than just redirection, like when there's a typo in name to boot) a change should or even must be done. Without such a list with every such action I just have to hope that I don't break some untraceable thing down, which is not very wiki-like feeling :) --Base (talk) 02:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I just deleted a response that I wrote which was irrelevant. Koavf (talk) 04:25, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Glaisher on #wikimedia-tech answered that here it is: . --Base (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
though this does not include which is apparently in hands of WMUK so we still lack a complete list. Would be nice if everybody lists such redirects they have made. --Base (talk) 18:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Tried making a change: gerrit:241564. More to follow as I (and hopefully not just I) mark more pages for translation. --Base (talk) 20:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, this is a very handy list! Thanks for requesting it, Base. Thanks for posting it, Koavf. I really like the clever subtitle: "The oyster knife of URL manipulation." :)

For the record, I myself was only aware of one domain alias/redirect for education program wiki pages, and that is the funnel:, which points to I personally had no idea that there were twenty others. <blink> Can't speak for the rest of my team. Not that it matters. Point is, we know now. Thank you. My next question is: what do we do with them (or what do we do about them)? But Base answers that: just keep track, if only for translation purposes. Will do.

And, while I'm on the topic of translation, I just want to say thank you very much, Base, for all your work on that. It is truly appreciated. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 20:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Field trip: Wiki Loves Monuments in Pakistan[edit]

In case anyone would like to go on a virtual field trip for simple enjoyment, please check out this Gallery section in the upcoming issue of the Signpost, courtesy of the Wiki Loves Monuments participants in Pakistan. (Pinging TFlanagan-WMF and AKoval (WMF)). --Pine 18:03, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Pine, for the ping! What an amazing set of images! And looks like a diverse cohort of users as well, which is also great to see :) TFlanagan-WMF (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Stunning photography. Thanks for the clickbait, Pine. Completely and totally worthwhile. I am in awe of the talent in our movement. Thank you for sharing a gorgeous glimpse of it with me. Made my day. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I need help from Admin[edit]

I made a big mistake by editing on a page that i shoudn't have to. Can you please fight vandalism on Template:Student Organization Userbox

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 20:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Ras Benjih. Could you clarify what action do you want an admin to perform? I see that the template was created by an anonymous user in 2011 and then you edited it by mistake (I assume you wanted to create a template basing on this one rather then editing it, didn't you?) and then reverted your edits which you have done successfully. Do you need a help on creating a template basing on this meta-template? --Base (talk) 21:48, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Base, it seems like i vandalized the page. Can you search that. I will tell you if i want to create one. Thanks

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 22:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Ras Benjih well you did extend the template by mistake at first, then you blanked the template and after that you have reverted all your edits there with Twinkle (using a revert button for vandalism I suppose, thus the description). Now the template looks exactly as before you edits so don't worry you have fixed all your mistakes yourself and no further action is required. OK, feel free to ask if you need any help. Thank you for drawing attention. --Base (talk) 22:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC) Just to make it cleared though it changes nothing since no action is required — I am an administrator in here (along with 122 other users :) ). --Base (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Base hmm! You make me feel like i'm in a place that I was never been at all. Thank you very much for comforting me.

Ras Benjih/RasTalk 22:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

More page stats needed[edit]

Dear Outreach,

I find myself frequently lately wanting or needing more statistics or page information than we seem to have access to here on Outreach wiki.

One use case is wanting to quantify a user's contributions for citations when endorsing proposals or applications or when awarding barnstars or wikilove.

I manually calculated the metrics for Jami, Roxy, and Paola. I don't mind doing math, but there must be some simpler method that I'm just apparently unaware of.

Several external tools exclude Outreach wiki:

Even internal tools that are linked on our revision history pages don't seem to work either.

Take this page, for example.

First click 'View history' and then click 'Edits by user'.

First, the link points here:

But within 3 seconds, it redirects here:

TL;DR: I want more page info stats and contributor info for linkable citations for on-wiki endorsements and commendations without querying Wikimetrics. How can I get these, please? Thank you, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Anna Koval (WMF), when I asked at #wikimedia-labs about it Krenair pointed that (partly quoting, the channel is publicly logged) xtools-articleinfo does't seem to work for any wiki, wppagehiststat seems to be missing a bunch of special wikis, except for commons, meta and species; wikiblame seems to just work; the usersearch one that redirects seems to do it for any wiki, not just outreach. --Base (talk) 21:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
And could you please list what exactly numbers/data do you want to have? --Base (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it really is something that the developers of those apps should enable (and I am puzzled as to why it was not done years ago), but I would be more than willing to ask each one if you wanted, because this is something that is long overdue. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Kevin and Base.
For user stats, it is my opinion that we should be able to see the same information for Outreach wiki contributors that we can see for other language projects on wmflabs tools, for example:
For page stats, it is my opinion that we should be able to see the same information for Outreach wiki pages that we can see for other language projects on wmflabs tools, for example:
Is is that difficult to add one more wiki to these tools' query lists? No idea. But Outreach is the home of the Movement's 2 largest and most active programs: GLAM and Education. It sure would be nice (as well as fair) to be able to cite data about participation on this wiki in reports, applications, proposals, and endorsements. Just my two cents. Thanks for listening. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Σ has enabled support for outreach wiki in his tools. I hope xtools guys will follow the good example :) --Base (talk) 22:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Base and Σ! :) /me is happy camper now. :) now work for 'outreachwiki': article revision statistics search example, user contribution search example, and pages created search example are all functioning fine. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Just for the log here of what I was speaking with Anna off-wiki I mentioned that in case some data are needed I can fetch some via bot and write on a page if needed. It is limited to what API and my actually bad coding skills allow but in general that's quite broad range. --Base (talk) 22:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Fetching data via bot?? Very interesting... That's a helpful backup option and work-around solution, Base, and it's good to know. Will remember this option, and if there is a need for specific data for a specific purpose, then will ask about your bot. For now, there is no imminent need, just a general wish, with which you and Σ have already helped a lot! :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Updates to Template:Welcome[edit]

Dear Outreach,

Just noting here too that I've recently updated our {{welcome}} template via: Template:Welcome/text.

The rationale is posted on the template's talk page at: Template talk:Welcome/text#Major overhaul.

All the best, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Not sure why the text at Template:Welcome/text isn't mirroring at Template:Welcome. Pinging @Base:... Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Because it isn't marked for translation yet. I was about to do it but found a minor problem from earlier with the template which caused me to stop to think :) Though it can be solved afterwards so could be marked for the time being --Base (talk) 08:02, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
I marked the page for now. :) (the first version of the page isn't marked well, maybe tvars should be added. I leave this for Base :-D) --Steinsplitter (talk) 10:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Steinsplitter! Seems to work well now: Example A, Example B. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 13:39, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Wikis are amazing! Not only does the newly-fixed welcome template work properly in new posts, but also it somehow automatically updates itself on pages where it was previously used: Example A from one week ago, Example B from 10 months ago. Awesome! :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
@AKoval (WMF): This is the difference between mw:Transclusion and Substitution. If a template is transcluded, it is always added to the page "as is" the moment the page is rendered. Consequently, old versions of pages will have some content that can change. This also means that if the template is deleted, all of the past revisions are broken. If a template is substituted, it will always look the same but it can't be updated to reflect any new additions. Koavf (talk) 02:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining that, Koavf. It helps to know the name for this superpower! Transclusion is magical and wikis are mighty. ❤ Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
@AKoval (WMF): You are. Koavf (talk) 03:18, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
@Koavf: Thank you. Likewise. And that's perhaps the greatest understatement I've ever made in my life. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


Dear Outreach Wikimedians,

I'm wondering if you know what the English equivalent is for this template:

You can see it shown here on Italian Wikipedia:

This is the wikitext code:

{{interprogetto|etichetta=educazione|q|q_preposizione=sull'|s=Categoria:Educazione e formazione|s_preposizione=sull'|s2=L'Educazione|s2_oggetto=diverse opere|s2_preposizione=dal titolo|s2_etichetta=''L'educazione''|wikt=educazione|commons=Category:Education|commons_preposizione=sull'}}

I like that the interwiki links in the Italian article fit neatly into a bullet list.

I'd like to use it on Outreach wiki, specifically on Education program pages in a new layout that I'm drafting here:

Elitre (WMF) pointed me to these:

But the English version may be more complicated than the Italian one!

I did find these templates on Outreach wiki:

They're close, but not quite right. So, do we have a template similar to the Italian Template:Interprogetto on Outreach wiki? And if not, would it be difficult to create it?

It would likely be much easier for someone who understands Italian: Category:User it. :)

Any help would be much appreciated. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Please see also the related Phabricator task: T117057. Thanks, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi! What do you mean by "But the English version may be more complicated than the Italian one!"? --Base (talk) 22:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
@AKoval (WMF): I think that transferring the functionality of either template would be fairly easy but did you choose the Italian one because it has a collapsible option? Why do you prefer it to the English one? Koavf (talk) 01:48, 30 October 2015 (UTC)